Category talk:National Socialism

Hallo an alle! Angestoßen durch das Holocaust-Denkmal in Berlin fiel mir wieder ein Film ein, dessen Titel ich nicht mehr weiß. Er handelte davon, dass in Süddeutschland (?) zum Ende des Krieges ein Zug mit Juden strandet und das angrenzende Dorf keine Hilfe leistet, indem man die Juden befreit, sondern schließlich beschließt, den Wagon einfach weiter zu schieben.

Können Sie mir mit dem Filmtitel und/oder der wahren Begebenheit (Ort und Datum) weiterhelfen????

Für Hilfe wäre ich sehr dankbar! MfG

This is ridiculous!

Why are we using the "politically correct" term for Nazi? Even the historical term is Nazi. This is completely ridiculous and should be changed! Who exactly was put in charge of naming this or made the change? Inquisitor Ehrenstein (talk) 04:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about the political correctness on the term but "National Socialism" is the formal name, but "Nazism" is the common and widely accepted term, even in academia, because of its clarity, historical context, and linguistic convenience. News media and academia use the terms "Nazism" and "Nazi", in upper-case. Wikipedia, the Encyclopedia Britannica and Holocaust Encyclopedia also refer to the ideology as Nazism. And according to Commons policy, the term 'Nazism' is the term that should be used:

Common Usage

"When considering different names for a subject, names that are more commonly used (as determined by prevalence in reliable sources) are preferred. Search engines, international organizations, media outlets, encyclopedias, databases, scientific bodies, and scientific journals may be consulted to identify the most common name(s)." Commons:File naming#Tie-breaking criteria

"Nazism" is the dominant term in academia, media, and general discourse, making it the more appropriate choice.

Conciseness

"The name should be no longer than necessary. Generally, a descriptive phrase is sufficient.” Commons:File naming#Clear

"Nazism" is shorter and more efficient than "National Socialism," aligning with the guideline's emphasis on brevity.

Recognizability and Intuitiveness

"As many as possible should be able to understand the name, whether they are an expert, someone familiar with the subject area, or someone on the street."

"Names should anticipate what users are likely to type when looking or searching for the subject.” Commons:File naming#Clear

Users are more likely to search for "Nazism", making it the more intuitive and accessible choice.

Descriptive Accuracy

"The name should describe the file's content and convey what the subject is actually called." Commons:File naming#Descriptive

"National Socialism" can be misleading since "socialism" has broader meanings in political theory.

"Nazism" is more specific to Hitler’s ideology and avoids confusion.

So per Wikimedia Commons' file naming policy, the principles of Common Usage, Conciseness, Recognizability, and Accuracy all support using "Nazism" as the correct term for file names. Nebula84912 (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No postponement. More than 130 language versions link to this site, while only 15 are on Nazism. In Germany we don't say Nazism but National Socialism, please read through de:Nationalsozialismus and first deal with the topic before suggesting such shifts. זיו「Ziv」 • For love letters and other notes 03:59, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your observations. I understand that you feel strongly about the terminology, and I appreciate your suggestion to read further on the topic. However, I would like to remind us both of the importance of maintaining respectful and constructive conversations. According to the Commons Civility Policy, we should always treat each other with consideration and avoid any condescending or dismissive language (COM:Civility). Let's continue discussing this matter in a way that is collaborative and respectful, keeping in mind the goal of improving the project. I'm new to Commons but I'm not new to Wikis, I participated in Wikipedia years ago.

According to Wikimedia Commons' category naming conventions, category names should generally be in English, except in cases where a proper name, biological taxon, or term lacks a commonly used English equivalent. This approach ensures consistency and accessibility across the platform. (Commons:Categories) Furthermore, the Commons:Categories page emphasizes that the category name should be sufficient to convey the subject, aiding in organizing and locating files effectively. While "National Socialism" may be prevalent in German discourse, "Nazism" is the term most commonly used in English-language academic sources, media, and international contexts. This widespread usage aligns with Commons' guidelines favoring English terms that are widely recognized and understood. Incorporating "Nazism" as the category name adheres to Commons' policies by promoting consistency, clarity, and international comprehensibility. Nebula84912 (talk) 16:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

זיו「Ziv」, I noticed that the move template I added was removed without a achieving consensus on this talk page first. According to Commons guidelines, this should be discussed to achieve consensus. Nebula84912 (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Nazism" is a slang abbreviation for National Socialism. I don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia to use slang (unless it's an article that is dealing with a slang expression). I'm also not sure why you think that it's likelier for people to search for Nazism rather than National Socialism; I find it rather counterintuitive for an encyclopedia. Nakonana (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I removed that again because it doesn't work that way. You have to propose the category for discussion and that doesn't happen here on the categories disk, but somewhere else. There is a tab called "Nominate category for discussion", you click on it and describe what you want. Such sensitive topics should always be discussed first before tinkering with them.

Also, as Nakonana mentioned, Commons should use the official term, Nazism is just a short form. How the individual language versions name their articles is their business. זיו「Ziv」 • For love letters and other notes 18:57, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nakonana, the term "Nazism" is not considered slang; rather, it is a standard term used in academic and historical contexts. It is an accepted and precise term in both scholarly and general contexts to denote the ideology of the Nazi Party. Its use in encyclopedic entries aligns with standard naming conventions and meets user search expectations. If it were slang, it wouldn't be used in formal spaces such as scholarly works or reputable encyclopedias like Britannica. Encyclopedias aim for clarity and standardization, and many words that originated in informal spaces have since been adopted and standardized. The change in the term "Nazism" occurred long ago. Nebula84912 (talk) 18:58, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote before, start a category discussion. זיו「Ziv」 • For love letters and other notes 19:04, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out how I should start the discussion, I wasn't aware of that. I've now opened a new discussion. I believe there might be some confusion regarding the term "Nazism." While it's true that "National Socialism" is the formal term in some languages, "Nazism" has long been the widely accepted term in English, both in academic contexts and general discourse. To clarify, "Nazism" is not simply a short form but a standard, official term in English that denotes the ideology of the Nazi Party.Regarding the naming of categories on Commons, it's important to note that the platform's guidelines prioritize English terms for consistency and accessibility. In the case of Category:National Socialism, it is indeed an English-language category, and "Nazism" is the more widely recognized term in the English context. The naming conventions on Commons, as outlined in Commons:Categories, aim to ensure clarity and ease of use for a global audience. Therefore, "Nazism" aligns with the standard practice of using commonly accepted English terms. Nebula84912 (talk) 20:02, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Nazism" is [...] a standard, official term in English that denotes the ideology of the Nazi Party. That might work for the German NSDAP, but as you might have noticed, there are also sub-categories for National Socialism in other countries. Do those also share the Nazi Party's ideology of Germans being the Aryan race? Or do they merely share a National Socialist ideology that is unrelated to the specific ideology of the German Nazi Party? I doubt that Russian national socialists think that Germans are the superior race, but they still have national socialist views. National Socialism is not about the German Nazi Party just like Communism is not just about the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There are other national socialist parties not just the NSDAP, just like there are other communist parties than the CPSU. National Socialism is a political ideology that is not limited to Germany or to the Nazi Party, and those other parties are not known by the abbreviation "Nazi" and neither is their ideology known under the abbreviation "Nazism". That abbreviation only works in the context of Germany, but as long as there are sub-categories for other countries, the parent category can't be just about Germany. Nakonana (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not providing the link earlier. The discussion is now continuing here. Nebula84912 (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To take a few of those other countries: the only thing under Category:National Socialism in the Czech Republic is a subcategory Category:Neo-Nazism in the Czech Republic so that's hardly an argument for the longer form. For Brazil there are three photos, all from 1929-1930, all specifically related to Germans in Brazil, 2 of 3 us "Nazi" in the description or title, none use the longer form; similarly for Estonia; nothing either way for Finland. I'm done checking enough to convince myself, but if someone {e.g. Nakonana) really thinks these other countries' content justify the longer form, it looks to me like they've got a pretty hard case to make. - Jmabel ! talk 02:08, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]